simply stated "whatever you attract in your life is what you have thought about before" your prominant thoughts will find a way to manifest .. this spiritually condemned line of thought is heavily spotted by new world guru and promoter oprah winfrey , and that type of person... but this is not about her and what she believes even though it is important in the understanding
what i want to do is go through a well known properity teachers statements from a so called sermon to demonstrate this uncanner line of thinking which is pushed off as if it is christianity .. when it is demonic in nature
one of the most common promoters and teachers of this is joel osteen
statement 1 -- speaking faith into your life
"our words have a creative power and whenever you speak out either good or bad -- we are giving life to what we are saying" the scriptures say "we are going to eat the fruit of our words" that means we are going to get exactally what we are saying - here's the key you gotta send your words out in the direction you want to go -- a man who spoke negitive and this attitude brought his life to an end
this is a small section of what has common place for this man to speak about himself and not Gods word -- the flock of God needs 24/7 spiritual nurishment and not 24/7 selfhelp displacement, he state in his typical fashion he repeated the mantra ... to teach the word of God but does not even go into it in any deep manner only qoute it when he needed to make his point feel more scripturally relivant
even to the point it was misqoutes it
the first 24 word of this sermon about speaking greatness into ones future over speaking bad things -- not that this in itself is a bad thing .. but it kind makes some of jesus statements and the apostle seem less important .. christians who are truly are saved should not know anything of this as we are too expect the negitive as well as positive, prehaps even more
again joel has brought his congregation into a heretical teaching from the devil known as the law of attaction / word of faith ideal
then he goes and quotes and misquotes a scripture to flare up this ideal of "sending your words out in the direction you want to go"
"we are going to eat the fuits of our words" no scriptural reference
the actual quote
From the fruit of a man's mouth his stomach is satisfied; he is satisfied by the yield of his lips.
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.-- proverbs 18 :20 -21
this proverb is speaking about the very fact that a man can have certian authority of command to end or save a life in duty
there is also another possible way .... which is whaen a man take a life unfairly so to his life life will end like wise .. here word can be seen though actions
a third possibility is a man who trusts in his desires will ultimately lose it to those desires which entrap him
but to equate the word of faith movement is too miss the point entirely as it does not mean man has the power to speak something into life good or bad by his words
here are some of the lord teaching which can sum this proverb up and at the same point dismantle joels power positive teachings
matthew 10 :38 -39
And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
matthew 16 :24 -26
Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
both of these example show us 2 things
a --- if you dont have Jesus you dont have life .. and this is the very point .. to have life you need to give your current life to Jesus
b -- a true christian will give up all that is ungodly forsake his own desires for God and his son Jesus
i see no evidence of this in joels sermons
i guess the apostles like this man could have dove done with some positiveness too -- since they all knew their lives hanged in the balance due to what they believed and taught publically if only knew a better way of living
statement 2 --- speaking faith into your life
if you talk about how positive you are and not how negitive you areif you constantly talk about how tired you are, your not going to make it... no, don't talk about the problem .. talk about the solution, infact the scriptures say : let the weak say I am strong
notice it doesn't say let the weak talk about their weakness, call 5 friends and discuss their weekness, complain about their weakness -- no in effect it is saying the weak say the opposite to how they feel
here again we see this whole philosophy of speaking positive / negitive thought in existence this is not christianity it is a perversion, are christians ment to have this maintality -- even though it sound good, it is deceptive spiritual attack on a believer should never be anything of an interest
like what jesus says in matthew 5 :11 -12 .. this is the attitude a believer in christ should adopt
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you
even peter states something to the same effect in 1 peter 4 :12 -18
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God
our lives as christian should never be one of happiness 24 /7 infact it sould be one where you expect persecution of all types for the LORDS sake, not our own.. so therefore joel is not preaching christianity but his own self help delusional tactics... this is contray to the biblical message
and with this we can know joel is not a christian pastor whoshould preach and teach the full council of God -- Gods word, and not joel own selfish stories
then he qoutes from joel 3, but does not inform us where he took it from , but mangles the words and meaning
scriptures say : let the weak say I am strong
this what joel said .. now let see what the passage is speaking of
Proclaim this among the nations: Consecrate for war; stir up the mighty men.
Let all the men of war draw near; let them come up.
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears;
let the weak say, “I am a warrior.”
what i want to do is go through a well known properity teachers statements from a so called sermon to demonstrate this uncanner line of thinking which is pushed off as if it is christianity .. when it is demonic in nature
one of the most common promoters and teachers of this is joel osteen
statement 1 -- speaking faith into your life
"our words have a creative power and whenever you speak out either good or bad -- we are giving life to what we are saying" the scriptures say "we are going to eat the fruit of our words" that means we are going to get exactally what we are saying - here's the key you gotta send your words out in the direction you want to go -- a man who spoke negitive and this attitude brought his life to an end
this is a small section of what has common place for this man to speak about himself and not Gods word -- the flock of God needs 24/7 spiritual nurishment and not 24/7 selfhelp displacement, he state in his typical fashion he repeated the mantra ... to teach the word of God but does not even go into it in any deep manner only qoute it when he needed to make his point feel more scripturally relivant
even to the point it was misqoutes it
the first 24 word of this sermon about speaking greatness into ones future over speaking bad things -- not that this in itself is a bad thing .. but it kind makes some of jesus statements and the apostle seem less important .. christians who are truly are saved should not know anything of this as we are too expect the negitive as well as positive, prehaps even more
again joel has brought his congregation into a heretical teaching from the devil known as the law of attaction / word of faith ideal
then he goes and quotes and misquotes a scripture to flare up this ideal of "sending your words out in the direction you want to go"
"we are going to eat the fuits of our words" no scriptural reference
the actual quote
From the fruit of a man's mouth his stomach is satisfied; he is satisfied by the yield of his lips.
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.-- proverbs 18 :20 -21
this proverb is speaking about the very fact that a man can have certian authority of command to end or save a life in duty
there is also another possible way .... which is whaen a man take a life unfairly so to his life life will end like wise .. here word can be seen though actions
a third possibility is a man who trusts in his desires will ultimately lose it to those desires which entrap him
but to equate the word of faith movement is too miss the point entirely as it does not mean man has the power to speak something into life good or bad by his words
here are some of the lord teaching which can sum this proverb up and at the same point dismantle joels power positive teachings
matthew 10 :38 -39
And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
matthew 16 :24 -26
Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
both of these example show us 2 things
a --- if you dont have Jesus you dont have life .. and this is the very point .. to have life you need to give your current life to Jesus
b -- a true christian will give up all that is ungodly forsake his own desires for God and his son Jesus
i see no evidence of this in joels sermons
i guess the apostles like this man could have dove done with some positiveness too -- since they all knew their lives hanged in the balance due to what they believed and taught publically if only knew a better way of living
statement 2 --- speaking faith into your life
if you talk about how positive you are and not how negitive you areif you constantly talk about how tired you are, your not going to make it... no, don't talk about the problem .. talk about the solution, infact the scriptures say : let the weak say I am strong
notice it doesn't say let the weak talk about their weakness, call 5 friends and discuss their weekness, complain about their weakness -- no in effect it is saying the weak say the opposite to how they feel
here again we see this whole philosophy of speaking positive / negitive thought in existence this is not christianity it is a perversion, are christians ment to have this maintality -- even though it sound good, it is deceptive spiritual attack on a believer should never be anything of an interest
like what jesus says in matthew 5 :11 -12 .. this is the attitude a believer in christ should adopt
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you
even peter states something to the same effect in 1 peter 4 :12 -18
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God
our lives as christian should never be one of happiness 24 /7 infact it sould be one where you expect persecution of all types for the LORDS sake, not our own.. so therefore joel is not preaching christianity but his own self help delusional tactics... this is contray to the biblical message
and with this we can know joel is not a christian pastor whoshould preach and teach the full council of God -- Gods word, and not joel own selfish stories
then he qoutes from joel 3, but does not inform us where he took it from , but mangles the words and meaning
scriptures say : let the weak say I am strong
this what joel said .. now let see what the passage is speaking of
Proclaim this among the nations: Consecrate for war; stir up the mighty men.
Let all the men of war draw near; let them come up.
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears;
let the weak say, “I am a warrior.”
Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, and gather yourselves there.
Bring down your warriors, O Lord.
Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
Bring down your warriors, O Lord.
Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Go in, tread, for the winepress is full.
The vats overflow, for their evil is great.
The vats overflow, for their evil is great.
Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
in the valley of decision.
The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
The Lord roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake.
But the Lord is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel.
But the Lord is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel.
now we have the context we can see there is nothing in the way of this postive/negitive power reality business in this passage -- in fact yahweh is tell all israel that they need to armour up for war against the nations .. this would include many verieties of people .. young .. old... weak and the strong .. also note that yahweh has said that all tools can be used as weoponary .. even agricutural tools
so the point is not that weak should speak their strength into existence, but that weak and the strong are in the same boat .. and need to rely on each other
the only way this verse can be used is in it context, which gives us the understanding that even the weak, can be used by God demonstate his glory and fulfil his purpose
question .. if this one quote i good enough shall apply the whole passage and go to war as joel has misled his congregation .. into thinking this is an applicable verse to his false beliefs?
"notice it doesn't say let the weak talk about their weakness"
correct
"call 5 friends and discuss their weekness, complain about their weakness"
correct
" in effect it is saying the weak say the opposite to how they feel"
incorrect ... can you show us where it says anything about feelings in the passage .. let alone that if you think differently you can speak that feeling into reality .. it just does not
this is sheer eisegesis .. reading foreign concepts in the scripture and ignoring all sound methods of interpretation
the real importance to learn from this God doesnt see people by their strength or weakness, he is totally in control all things and he makes it all work in accord to his will
"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers". -- romans 8 :28 -29
also think of what paul state in 2 corinthians 10 and in ephesians 6
I, Paul, myself entreat you, by the meekness and gentleness of Christ—I who am humble when face to face with you, but bold toward you when I am away!— I beg of you that when I am present I may not have to show boldness with such confidence as I count on showing against some who suspect us of walking according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete -- 2 corinthians 10 :1 -6
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, and also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains, that I may declare it boldly, as I ought to speak -- ephesians 6 :10 -20
these passages show us that a christian does not rely on his own smarts and strength to defeat satan or false ideals .. but upon the triune God yahweh .. he is our true strength -- as man apart from christ can not defeat evil they succome to it and its devistating effect .. and this is what we see in these philophies such as word of faith / law of attraction and its promoters and speakers like joel osteen
he has no spiritual understanding of the bible cause he is unregenerate and full of self centered lies and deception
